Originally Posted by masterofall240

Go for it cowardly sunni. plus i find it hilarious when jews kill you lowly sunni asses. my jewish friend had a fun time killing your ugly kind in iraq.

Originally Posted by zer01

Now you are showing your true nasibi face son.

let me repeat what I posted above.

You can call me names or what ever, believe me I dont care. But son!, I still wish and pray that Allah (swt) put some love of Ali (a.s) and his offspring in your heart. Cause that the condition to enter in jannah (as I proved from Quran and Hadith in my above post)

Originally Posted by Kaleem

Plus the conditio to enter Jannah is very clear in Quran. Do good deeds, stay away from Shirk, Zikr Allah, love for his Prophet and that is it. Love for Ali or any other family memeber of Muhammad is not going to get you into Jannah...it will be your deeds "A'mal" that will make a difference. So I urge you to do a soul search and come to your senses. May Allah Guide us All. Ameen

In Quran Allah sys:
One day We shall call every group of people by their respective Imams. (Quran 17:71)

Atleas we have our A'ima (Imam's Plural if you dont know) to follow to, who are the progeny of Allah's (swt) best Prophet Mohammed (saww). And first Imam of them is Ali (a.s).

TELL ME SON, WHO IS YOUR IMAM? WHO WILL REPRESENT YOU ON THE DAY OF QIYAMAH?

Originally Posted by gupguppy

zer01... but your lie is already exposed... since the full report you earlier dishonestly cited has Ali saying the following when asked to clarify who the fourteen righteous companions meant by the hadith were - he said: "Myself, my sons Hasan and Husain, and Ja'far, Hamzah, Abu Bakr, Umar, Mus'ab bin Umayr, Bilal, Salman, Ammar, al Miqdad, Hudhayfa, and Abdulla ibn Mas'ud."

may Allah be pleased with them all....
I wonder why you missed out the other names, especially the two i've highlighted! tut, tut... so don't call Allah's curse down on yourself... better to repent and promise not to do such naughty things again...
do you want to now look into its authenticity or are you no longer interested given that Abu Bakr and Umar are in there? :-)... if it's weak your posting of it is pointless... if it's authentic you've made a rod for your own back... a lose/lose situation...

and you still have'nt answered my question about your Imam. Let me quote it here again:


Quote:

In Quran Allah sys:
One day We shall call every group of people by their respective Imams. (Quran 17:71)

Atleas we have our A'ima (Imam's Plural if you dont know) to follow to, who are the progeny of Allah's (swt) best Prophet Mohammed (saww). And first Imam of them is Ali (a.s).

TELL ME SON, WHO IS YOUR IMAM? WHO WILL REPRESENT YOU ON THE DAY OF QIYAMAH?

Originally Posted by zer01

Son, you are wrong again. and you still have'nt answered my question about your Imam. Let me quote it here again:

Now back to the condition to enter in Jannah:

It is proven that everyone shall be questioned about Wilayat of 'Ali (as) on the Day of Judgment.

Allama ibne Hajr Makki also states in Sawaiq al-Muhriqa (Urdu translation page 503) that on the day of judgment, the Wilayat e Ali (as) will also be questioned about, along with the belief in the Unity of Allah, the Prophethood, the revealed books and faith. He writes:

Hadhrath Abu Sa'eed Khidri narrates: "Holy Prophet (s) said that on the day of judgement Allah Almighty will say: Stop them for now, they will be questioned about Wilayat e Ali (as)"
Sawaiq al-Muhriqa, Page 503 (<= Link to Scanned page in urdu)

Mohib Tabari records the same Hadeeth in:
Riyadh al Nadira Volume 2 page 116 (<= Link to Scanned page)

One of the Leaders of the Deobandi movement equally admired by the Wahabis Shah Ismail Shaheed echoes the same sentiments in, Mansab e Imamat, page 109-110, published in Lahore. Whilst discussing evidence Wilayat in the next world he says:

We read in Surah Azhab 'The Prophet is aula (authority) to the believers', and in the next world his Wilayat will remain in tact, as Allah (swt) says 'What will be the position when a witness will be summoned from each Ummah, and you shall be a witness over them [Surah Nisa]. Similarly the Imam has such authority in this world and the next, which is why the Prophet said 'Don't I have more rights over the people than they have over themselves, to which the people replied 'Yes'. The Prophet then said 'Of whomsoever I am Maula, Ali is his Maula'. This is why Allah says in the Qur'an that on the Day of Judgement you will be summoned with your Imam and questioned [Surah Safaath], and the Prophet said that we will asked about the Wilayat of Ali"
Mansab e Imamat, Page 109 & 110 (<= Link to Scanned page in urdu)

Now son, before showing your obstinacy again read the above text carefully specially the linked scanned pages.

Kher Andesh.

Originally Posted by zer01

Dude, if I am a liar, then I am ready for the consequences. Dont run away. I dare you again, Lets pray the following ayah from quran:

LET US HUMBLY PRAY ( TO OUR LORD ) AND INVOKE THE CURSE OF ALLAH UPON THE LIARS". (Quran 3:61)

And lets also include, May the curse of Allah also be upon the enemies of Mohammed (saww) and his Progeny i.e. Ali, Fatima and thier sons (a.s)

come! reapeat after me. I DARE YOU!!!

Originally Posted by Kaleem

That is nice, so you are happy whemn Muslims are killed. You have shown your true colors...Shame on you for bringing bad name to all Muslims and especially shias all around the globe.

Originally Posted by Kaleem

You Moron my Imam is Prophet...if you have a different Imam than him then you must be following some other religion than Islam...Now kappesh..Munafiq. Dont call me your son...I am not your son.