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Old Apr 24th, 2005, 06:38 PM   #1
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Here is an interesting article I found on hadith on Maula Ali A.S. with references.

The Holy Prophet (pbuh&hp) said:

Ya Rasool Allah
"Whoever wishes to see Adam in his knowledge, Noah in his piety, Abraham in his forbearance, Moses in his strength, and Jesus in his worship and devotion should look at Ali ibn Abi Talib."

Sunni Refernces:
1. al Muhibb al Tabari in al Riyad al Nadirah, ii, 218, 208;
2. al Muttaqi in Kanz alummal, i, 226;
3. Ibn Abi al Hadid, Sharh Nahj al Balaghah (Egypt, ed. Muhammad Abu al?Fadl), ix, 168;
4. al Qunduzi, Yanabi al Mawaddah (Istanbul), p. 214, 312;
5. Ibn Asakir, Tarikh Dimashq, "Tarjumat al-Imam Ali ibn Abi Talib," ii, 280;
6. Fakhr al Razi, Tafsir, ii, 700;
7. Ibn al Maghazili, Manaqib, 212;
8. Ibn al Sabbagh al Maliki, al Fusul al Muhimmah, 107.

The Holy Prophet (pbuh&hp) said:

"Fourteen thousand years before Adam, upon whom be peace, was created, I and Ali were a light in the presence of God. When God created Adam, upon whom be peace, He divided it into two parts. I am one of the parts and Ali is the other part."
Sunni Refernces:
1. Al Muhibb al Tabari narrates this tradition on the authority of Salman (RA) from the Prophet (pbuh&hp) in al Riyad al Nadirah, ii, 163:
2. Ahmad ibn Hanbal in al Fada'il;
3. Sibt ibn al Jawzi in Tadhkirat AlĀ­khawass, 46;
4. Abu Hatim Muhammad ibn Idris al Razi in Zayn al Fata fi tafsir Surat Hal ata, MS.; 5. Abd Allah ibn Ahmad ibn Hanbal in Zawaid manaqib Amir al Muminin, MS.,
6. This tradition has also been narrated by also Ibn Mardawayh, Ibn Abd al Barr, al Khatib al Baghdadi, Ibn al Maghazili, al-Asimi, Shiruyah al Daylami and others from Imam Ali (AS), Salman (RA), Abu Dharr (RA), Anas ibn Malik (RA), Jabir ibn Abd Allah (RA) and other Companions.

Al Bukhari mentions this tradition in his Sahih, "Kitab al Jihad wa al Siyar":
Sahl ibn Sad said: "The Prophet (pbuh&hp) said on the day of (the victory of) Khaybar:

"Tomorrow I will give the standard to a man, by whose hand God shall conquer (Khaybar). He loves God and His Messenger, and God and His Messenger love him."
Other Sunni Refernces:
1. Muslim in his Sahih, "Kitab al-jihad wa al Siyar" and "Kitab fada'il al Sahabah";
2. al Tirmidhi in his Sahih, i, 218;
3. Ibn Majah in Sunan (Matba`at al Faruqi, Delhi) "bab fada'il ashab Rasul Allah (S)";
4. al Hakim in Mustadrak, iii, 38, 437;
5. Imam Ahmad ibn Hanbal in Musnad, i, 99, 133, 185, 320, iv, 51, v, 353;
6. Abu Nu`aym in Hilyat al 'awliya', i, 26, 62;
7. al Nasa'i in Khasa'is, 4, 5, 7, 8, 32;
8. al Muttaqi in Kanz al Ummal, v, 283, 285, vi, 394, 395, 405;
9. al Haythami in Majma al Zawa'id, vi, 150, 151, ix, 119, 123, 124;
10. Ibn Hajar, Tahdhib al Tahdhib, vii, 337, 339;
11. al Muhibb al Tabari, al Riyad al Nadirah, ii, 185, 187, 203;
12. al Tabari, Tarikh, ii, 300;
13. Ibn Sa`d, al Tabaqat, ii, part one, 80;
14. Ibn Abd al Barr, al Istiab (Hyderabad, 1336), ii, 450;
15. al Bayhaqi in Sunan, vi, 362.

The Holy Prophet (pbuh&hp) said:
"I am the city of knowledge and Ali is its gate; whoever intends to enter the city should come to its gate."
Sunni Refernces:
1. Al Hakim in his Mustadrak, iii, 126, 127:
2. al Khatib in Tarikh Baghdad, ii, 348, 377; vii, 172; xi, 48, 49;
3. al Muhibb al Tabari in al Riyad al Nadirah, ii, 193;
4. al Muttaqi in Kanz al ummal, vi, 152, 156, 401;
5. Ibn Hajar in al Sawa'iq al Muhriqah, 73;
6. al Manawi in Kunuz al Haqaiq, 43 and Fayd al Qadir, iii, 46;
7. al Haythami, Majma al Zawa'id, ix, 114;
8. Ibn al Athir in Usd al Ghabah, iv, 22 and Tahdhib al Tahdhib (Hyderabad, 1325), vi, 152;
9. as well as al Uqayli, Ibn Adi and al Tabarani.


Al Tirmidhi in his Sahih reports that once when the Prophet (S) sat down to eat a fowl that had been prepared for his dinner, he prayed to God:

"My God, bring the most beloved of Your creatures, that he may eat this fowl with me." Then Ali (AS) came and the Prophet ate with him.

Other Sunni Refernces:
1. al Hakim in Mustadrak, iii, 130, 131;
2. Abu Nuaym in Hilyah, vi, 339;
3. al Khatib in Tarikh Baghdad, ii, 171;
4. al Muhibb al Tabari in al Riyad al Nadirah, ii, 160, 161, and Dhakha'ir al?-uqba, 61;
5. al Haythami in Majma al Zawa'id, ix, 125, 126;
6. al Muttaqi in Kanz al Ummal, iv, 406;
7. Ibn al Athir in Usd al Ghabah, iv, 30.

The Holy Prophet (pbuh&hp) said:

"Verily, Ali and I are inseparable, and he is the master (wali) of every believer after me."

Sunni Refernces:
1. Al Tirmidhi, in his Sahih, ii, 297,
2. Ahmad ibn Hanbal in his Musnad, iv, 437, v, 356;
3. Abu Dawud al Tayalisi in his Musnad, iii, 111, xi, 360;
4. al Haythami, Majma al Zawaid, ix, 109, 127, 128, 199;
5. al Khatib al Baghdadi, Tarikh Baghdad, iv, 339;
6. al Muhibb al Tabari, al Riyad al Nadirah, ii, 203, 171;
7. al Muttaqi al Hindi, Kanz al Ummal, vi, 154, 155, 396, 401;
8. Ibn al Athir in Usd al Ghabah, v, 94;
9. Abu Nuaym in Hilyat al Awliya, vi, 294;
10. al Nasa'i, Khasais, 19, 23;
11. as well as Ibn Abi Shaybah, al Tabari, al Tabarani, al ?Daylami, Ibn Mardawayh, Ibn al Jawzi, al Rafii, and Ibn Hajar.


The Holy Prophet (pbuh&hp) is reported to have said to Imam Ali (AS):

"Are you not pleased to have the position (manzilah) in relation to me as that Aaron had in relation to Moses?"

Sunni Refernces:
1. Al Bukhari in his Sahih (al Matba'at al Khayriyyah, Egypt, 1320) in "Kitab bad' al Khalq", "Bab manaqib `Ali ibn Abi Talib" and "Bab ghazwat Tabuk," in two places, records this tradition
2. Muslim in his Sahih (Matba`at Bulaq, 1290), "Kitab fada'il al Sahabah," through three chains;
3. al Tirmidhi, in his Sahih, ii, 301;
4. Ibn Majah in his Sunan, p. 12;
5. al Hakim in Mustadrak, ii, 337;
6. Imam Ahmad ibn Hanbal in Musnad, i, 29, 170, 173, 174, 175, 177, 179, 182, 184, 185; 230, iii, 338, vi, 369;
7. al Nasa'i in Khasa'is, 4, 14, 15, 16, 17, 19, 32;
8. Ibn Sad in al Tabaqat (Leiden 1322) iii, part one, 14, 15;
9. Abu Nuaym in Hilyat al Awliya', vi, 345, vii, 194, 195, 196, viii, 307;
10. al Khatib in Tarikh Baghdad, i, 324, iii, 288, iv, 71, 204, 382, vii, 452, viii, 52, ix, 394, x, 43, xi, 432, xii, 323;
11. al Tabari in his Tarikh al Umam wa al Muluk (Matbaat al Istiqamah, Cairo, 1357), ii, 368;
12. Ibn al Athir, Usd alĀ­ghabah, v, 8;
13. al Muttaqi al Hindi, Kanz al Ummal, iii, 154, v, 40, vi, 154, 188, 395, 402, 404, 405, viii, 215;
14. al Haythami, Majma al Zawa'id, ix, 109, 110, 111, 119;
15. al Muhibb al Tabari, in al Riyad al Nadirah, i, 13, ii, 162, 163, 164, 175, 195, 203 and Dhakha'ir al Uqba, 120.

The Holy Prophet (pbuh&hp) said:

"Whoever contests Ali in regard to the khilafah is an unbeliever."

Sunni Refernces:
1. Ibn al Maghazili in his Manaqib (Tehran), p.45, from Abu Dharr al Ghifari,
2. Allamah Ayni Hyderabadi in Manaqib Sayyidina Ali (Alam Press, Charminar), p.52, from al Khatib al Khwarazmi and Ibn al Maghazili.

Al Nasa'i in Khasa'is, 40, reports this tradition on the authority of Abu Said al Khudri:

Abu Said al Khudri reports: "We sat waiting for the Messenger of Allah (pbuh&hp) when he came out to meet us. The strap of his sandal was broken and he tossed it to Ali. Then he (pbuh&hp) said: "A man amongst you will fight the people over the tawil (interpretation) of the Quran in the same way as I have fought over its tanzil (revelation)." Thereupon Abu Bakr said, 'Is that I?' The Prophet (pbuh&hp) said: "No." Then Umar asked him, 'Is that I?' "No." said the Prophet (pbuh&hp). "It is the mender of the sandal (i.e. Ali)."

Other Sunni References:
1. al Hakim in Mustadrak, iii, 122;
2. Ahmad ibn Hanbal in his Musnad, iii, 33, 82;
3. Abu Nuaym in Hilyat al Awliya', i, 67;
4. Ibn al Athir in Usd al Ghabah, iii, 282, iv, 33;
5. Ibn Hajar, al Isabah, i, 22, iv, 152;
6. Ibn Abd al Barr, al lsti`ab, ii, 423;
7. al Haythami, Majma al Zawa'id, v, 186;
8. al Muttaqi, Kanz al Ummal, vi, 155, 390, 391.

The Holy Prophet (pbuh&hp) said:

"May God's mercy be upon Ali. My God, keep the Haqq (truth, righteousness, justice) always with Ali."

Sunni Refernces:
1. Sahih Al Tirmidhi, ii, 298:
2. al Hakim in Mustadrak, iii, 119, 124;
3. al Khatib in Ta'rikh Baghdad, xiv, 321;
4. al Haythami in Majma` al Zawa'id, vii, 134, 235; 243;
5. al Muttaqi in Kanz al Ummal, vi, 157.

The Holy Prophet (pbuh&hp) said:
"The parable of my Ahl Al?bayt is that of the boat of Noah, whoever gets aboard it is saved and whoever stays away from it is drowned."
Sunni References:
1. Al Hakim in his Mustadrak, ii, 343, iii, 150:
2. Abu Nuaym in Hilyat al Awliya', iv, 306;
3. al Khatib in Ta'rikh Baghdad, xii, 19;
4. al Suyuti in al Durr al Manthur (al-Matba`at al Maymaniyyah, Egypt, 1314), under verse 2:58;
5. al Muttaqi in Kanz al Ummal, i, 250, vi, 216;
6. al Haythami in Majma` al Zawa'id, ix, 167, 168;
7. al Muhibb al Tabari in Dhakha'ir al Uqba, 20; al Manawi in Kunuz al?Haqa'iq, 132.

http://www.shianews.com/hi/articles/islam/0000156.php
Other good sites to read on Maula Ali A.S.
www.al-islam.org/ghadir
http://www.al-islam.org/nahj/

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Old Apr 24th, 2005, 08:17 PM   #2
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the first and second are really doubtful....
they cud be classified as false, rejected ahadith....
their content shows that they r far from truth....
i have never heard of any of those books that u have mentioned....

the fourth one (Ali being the gate) is popular and is classified as dhaeef (weak) and also mawdhoo (false) hadith by the scholars of hadith....

the one about Ali (ra) beign hkalifa appears very weak and unauthentic....
as does the the last one....



may Allah be pleased with Ali (ra) who believed in Allah and His Prophet (saw) and struggled with all his might for the pleasure of Allah and led an exemplary life....
and may Allah guide those who, due to his greatness, tend to lift him so high that they transgress the limits of Islam....
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Old Apr 24th, 2005, 08:56 PM   #3
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Old Apr 25th, 2005, 02:43 AM   #4
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Texan_Dude
"Whoever wishes to see Adam in his knowledge, Noah in his piety, Abraham in his forbearance, Moses in his strength, and Jesus in his worship and devotion should look at Ali ibn Abi Talib."


Ibn al Jawzi (d.597H) said: "A fabricated hadith." (Kitab al Mawduat 1/p.277); likewise al Suyuti (d.911H) includes it his collection of fabricated hadith, La'ali al Masnua (1/p.325); as does al Shawkani (d.1250H) in his al Fawaid al Majmua (#1097)

Quote:
"Fourteen thousand years before Adam, upon whom be peace, was created, I and Ali were a light in the presence of God. When God created Adam, upon whom be peace, He divided it into two parts. I am one of the parts and Ali is the other part."


I believe al Dhahabi rejects the hadith in his Mizan al Itidal.. i'll look into it if and when I find my copy... certainly the version that reads, "I and Ali were created from a light and we were by the right side of al Arsh a thousand years prior to Allah creating Adam..." is an outright fabrication as confirmed by Ibn al Jawzi in Kitab al Mawduat (1/p.254); by al Suyuti in La'ali al Masnua (1/p.294); and al Shawkani in al Fawaid al Majmua (#1077);

Quote:
"My God, bring the most beloved of Your creatures, that he may eat this fowl with me." Then Ali (AS) came and the Prophet ate with him.


Again, listed in al Shawkani's work on fabricated hadith, al Fawaid al Majmua (#1132), where he also replied to al Hakim's authentication by saying, "Numerous people of knowledge opposed him in that"; Muhaddith al Albani called the hadith "weak" in his Daif Sunan al Tirmidhi (#773); and it is also cited by al Tabarani in his Mu'jam al Kabir and by al Bazzar in his Musand to which Hafiz al Haythami (d.807H) said, "It contains Ismail ibn Salman and he is abandoned [in hadith]" and in another chain in Mu'jam al Kabir there was a narrator unknown to him (Majma al Zawaid, #14726+)

Quote:
"Verily, Ali and I are inseparable, and he is the master (wali) of every believer after me."


Of course, wilaya here doesn't denote succesorship or khilafah... walaya is a common denominator among all believers beginning with Allah's walaya as per, "Allah is the wali of those who believe" (Qur'an 2:257) and then also, "Only Allah is your wali and His Messenger and those who believe..." (5:55) and finally, "The believers, men and women, are awliya one of another..." (9:71)

Quote:
"Are you not pleased to have the position (manzilah) in relation to me as that Aaron had in relation to Moses?"


Of course, Harun (as) didn't succeed Musa (as)

Quote:
"Whoever contests Ali in regard to the khilafah is an unbeliever."

Sunni Refernces:
1. Ibn al Maghazili in his Manaqib (Tehran), p.45, from Abu Dharr al Ghifari,
2. Allamah Ayni Hyderabadi in Manaqib Sayyidina Ali (Alam Press, Charminar), p.52, from al Khatib al Khwarazmi and Ibn al Maghazili


These are not primary hadith sources by any stretch of the imagination with the second reference relying partly on the first. I'd be surprised if they even mention an isnad for this undoubtedly spurious report.

Quote:
"May God's mercy be upon Ali. My God, keep the Haqq (truth, righteousness, justice) always with Ali."


Part of a longer hadith which in fact begins with the words, "May Allah have mercy on Abu Bakr, he married his daughter to me and accompanied me to the land of migration..."

Nevertheless, the chain of transmission contains al Mukhtar ibn Nafi about whom al Bukhari said, "Rejected in hadith" and Ibn Hibban said, "He brings rejected reports [supposedly] on the authority of well known narrators." (cited in al Manawi's Fayd al Qadir, #4412)

Quote:
"The parable of my Ahl Al?bayt is that of the boat of Noah, whoever gets aboard it is saved and whoever stays away from it is drowned."


al Dhahabi confirmed the weakness of al Hakim's chain because of Mufadhal bin Salih who is "rejected in hadith" according to al Bukhari; the various chains recorded by al Tabarani rely on Abdullah ibn Dahir and al Hasan ibn Abi Ja'far both of whom are "abandoned", or on Abdullah ibn Abd al Qudus who is adjudged weak by numerous hadith scholars, or the chains contain groups of unknown reporters as stated by al Haythami in his Majma al Zawa'id (#14,981); al Bazzar's report from Ibn Zubair contains Ibn Lahiyya, a well-known weak narrator; a similar report from Anas ibn Malik contains Aban ibn Abi Ayash who is accused of fabricating hadith... etc. etc.
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Old Apr 25th, 2005, 03:02 AM   #5
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the first and second are really doubtful....
they cud be classified as false, rejected ahadith....
their content shows that they r far from truth....
i have never heard of any of those books that u have mentioned
Hmm the contents of the hadith shows they are far from the trust... let me quote you the first hadith again Mr.
"Whoever wishes to see Adam in his knowledge, Noah in his piety, Abraham in his forbearance, Moses in his strength, and Jesus in his worship and devotion should look at Ali ibn Abi Talib."
Care to tell me aside from Prophet Mohammad who was most knowledgeable person during his time.... You doubt on his knowledge read Najul Balagah...
http://www.al-islam.org/nahj/
Imam Jaffar -e- Sadiq his grand kids and the sixth Imam of shias he was so knowledgabe that one of his student is known as father of chemistry.

Nauzubillah if Hazrat Ali A.S was not Pious...why did Holy Prophet MOhammad P.B.U.H. chose him over other companions when it came to curse on liars in Mubahila.....
Tell me who was the most bravest during the time of Prophet MOhammad P.B.U.H. who was the only person who stood up against Umar Ibe Abuwad in battle of Khandaq..who was fataheh Khyber....and you doubt on his strength?
Now tell me wasn't Hazrat Ali A.S. one of the best when it comes to woship and devotion.... who are you to say the hadith of Prophet Mohammad is far from truth....what right do you have...????
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and may Allah guide those who, due to his greatness, tend to lift him so high that they transgress the limits of Islam....
I don't agree with Nusairee taking Hazrat Ali A.S. as God, but I do remember in one of your post in one of the threads you accussed shia of raising Hazrat Ali A.S. than his actual rank.... I asked a question which apparently you ignored and hoping this time you might have the courtesy to reply or defend your accusations.

I asked you what is the actual rank... shias don't take Hazrat Ali A.S. as God.... he himself prayed and asked to pray for Allah SWT and was therefore killed in the mosque..... and also Hazrat Ali A.S. is on a higher rank than us...
He was awarded sword from Allah SWT, no other companion of Prophet Mohammad P.B.U.H. nor us were blessed with such a honor.
He was born in Qaba.
He was the only one to stand up against Umar Ibne Abduwad in the battle of Khandaq.
He was chosen by Prophet Mohammad P.B.U.H. over other companions in Mubhaila when it was asked to curse on liars....
"Tomorrow I will give the standard to a man, by whose hand God shall conquer (Khaybar). He loves God and His Messenger, and God and His Messenger love him."
The hadith above which apparently you had no objection too. doesn't it tell how highly ranked he was....
Now tell me whats the actual rank of Prophet Like I said shias don't claim them to be Allah or Prophet and he was alot better than us our Imam...but where do you draw this line to accuse shias of giving him higher rank?

Also care to shed light on why was hadith four ruled out to be daheef??????
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Old Apr 25th, 2005, 06:13 AM   #6
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[Also care to shed light on why was hadith four ruled out to be daheef??????]

Because Azam Tariq said so.

Seriously? If muslims agree to these hadiths then the whole drama of safiqah will be exposed. Muslims can not find hidiths like this for any other sahaba so it is much easier for muslims to declare any ahdith that raises Ali A.s status higher than other sahaba a daheef or doubtful. However muslims will go extra 100 miles to believe any hadith narrated by any tom dick and harry regarding other sahaba. Read any of the sahih yourself.

Muslims think that Ali A.s need their approval. Let them think like that.
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Old Apr 25th, 2005, 08:14 AM   #7
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Texan_Dude and MAKRANI

Muslims Love and Respect Hazrat Ali(ra) due to his great services for Islam. He was one of the most closet copmapion of Prophet (pbuh).

There are many "Sahih" Hadith regarding Hazrat Ali.

But at the same time we can not ignore the efforts of Many other Companion who spent life with prophet and seved Islam to a great deal.

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may Allah be pleased with Ali (ra) who believed in Allah and His Prophet (saw) and struggled with all his might for the pleasure of Allah and led an exemplary life....
and may Allah guide those who, due to his greatness, tend to lift him so high that they transgress the limits of Islam....


Ameen. May Allah guide us to the Path of Prophet and Hazrat Ali (ra) and the rightious compnions
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Old Apr 25th, 2005, 10:15 AM   #8
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nice thread so many references Bhai Texan aap ne to jo bhi .... jahan se bhi pharra ghalat hi phrra. Allah raham karay.
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Old Apr 25th, 2005, 12:26 PM   #9
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I have been at gupshup for over 5 years now and seen so many identical threads come and go without serving much purpose.

Rather than indulging in these arguments of circular nature, people interested in real learning should make an effort of get hold of some of Imam Ali's words. Just read some of the reviews on Nahjul Balagha at Amazon dot com! Its such a shame to see us muslims taking part in these silly- i am the 'righteous' one- games while others are actually reading/learning/applying words of the great Imam to their lives.
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Old Apr 25th, 2005, 09:57 PM   #10
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Paglu....Why is it that we need to read Nahjul Balagha? Is it going to teach me something that Quran cannot? If the answer is no, than, I dont need to read it to gain knowledge about Islam or to learn about the greatness of Ali :ra:
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Old Apr 25th, 2005, 10:32 PM   #11
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"Fourteen thousand years before Adam, upon whom be peace, was created, I and Ali were a light in the presence of God. When God created Adam, upon whom be peace, He divided it into two parts. I am one of the parts and Ali is the other part."

Very intresting.

i dont know why people wants to make prophet muhmmed(SAWW) made of lite, I meet one man he went beyond you people he said Prophet Muhmmad (SAWW) was not human he was ALLAH him self came on earth in man shape(unawzobella)

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Old Apr 25th, 2005, 11:08 PM   #12
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Actually the above was meant for Ali (RA), but to make it more palatable, Prophet (PBUH) was put in this place...again Naoozobillah...
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Old Apr 25th, 2005, 11:33 PM   #13
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LOL, you wanna gather all Nasibis in one post, Just start a post praising Ali (a.s). Strange and funny thing is, they deny thier own highly esteemed history text in the hatred of Ali (as) and his progeny.

Muslim in his Sahih narrated on the authority of Zirr that:

Ali (RA) said: By him who split up the seed and created something living, the Apostle (may peace and blessing be upon him) gave me a promise that no one but a believer would love me, and none but a hypocrite would nurse grudge against me.

- Sahih Muslim, English version, Chapter XXXIV, p46, Tradition #141


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Texan_Dude and MAKRANI
Muslims Love and Respect Hazrat Ali(ra) due to his great services for Islam. He was one of the most closet copmapion of Prophet (pbuh).

There are many "Sahih" Hadith regarding Hazrat Ali.

But at the same time we can not ignore the efforts of Many other Companion who spent life with prophet and seved Islam to a great deal.

Ameen. May Allah guide us to the Path of Prophet and Hazrat Ali (ra) and the rightious compnions
sounds like you are defending something?? whats that??

You wrote there are many sahih hadith redarding Hz. Ali (a.s). Care to share at least five of them. May Allah (swt) give you Ajjar for that. (but make sure you get'em approved from armughal and gupguppy first, other wise it seems thier obsession to declare every hadith which contains Ali's (a.s) name in it or prais him false, daeef or fabricated would taunt you as well)

Best of Luck!!

And yes let me repeat after you with a lil diference. May Allah keep us to the Path of Prophet and Hazrat Ali (a.s) and the righteous compnions. Ameen!

The Messenger of Allah said:

"Every prophet was given by God seven righteous companions. I was given fourteen righteous companions". He included in them Ali, al-Hasan, al-Husain, Hamza, Ja'far, Ammar Ibn Yasir, Abu Dhar, Miqdad, and Salman.

Sunni references:
- Fada'il al-Sahaba, by Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, v2, Traditions #109, #277
- Sahih al-Tirmidhi, v5, p329, p662
- Musnad Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, v1, pp88,148,149 from several chain of narrators
- al-Kabir, by al-Tabarani, v6, p264, p265
- Hilyatul Awliya', by Abu Nu'aym, v1, p128

But guess what?, the above two ahadith are also daeef, false or fabricated, are'nt they

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Old Apr 26th, 2005, 12:08 AM   #14
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And God said, that only dimanted people will equate humans to the level of Hazrat Muhammad and Allah. He further said that people who commit shirk in such a manner are the biggest munafiqs. Ponder on that for a minute, Mr. Zero brain.
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Old Apr 26th, 2005, 12:17 AM   #15
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Old Apr 26th, 2005, 08:08 AM   #16
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Zer01,

Is it amazing you give these people hadith from your book they would reject saying its from a shia source... you show them the same hadith from their authentic books... not one but several books... they will rule it out..... This one time I was at this sunni mosque close to my work and ran into this black American who was talking about how much unrest is in the world.. and when I told him it seems like its time for Imam Mahdi A,S, and told him that one of the sign of him coming is there would be a lunar and solar eclipse in one month, eventhough he didn't know I am a shia he asked me is this from a shia source, I asked him why? he told me he read about this sign in shia books but not in sunni books... and it was skeptical to him.... and when I asked him y would he doubt a shia source when Imam Hanafi, Maliki, Shafai...they all came years after Prophet Mohammad P.B.U.H. you would trust their souces and our Imam was there with the Prophet Mohammad P.B.U.H, you would doubt that... he didn't have any thing to say even though he said he studies islam for 30 years.

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"Verily, Ali and I are inseparable, and he is the master (wali) of every believer after me."


Of course, wilaya here doesn't denote succesorship or khilafah... walaya is a common denominator among all believers beginning with Allah's walaya as per, "Allah is the wali of those who believe" (Qur'an 2:257) and then also, "Only Allah is your wali and His Messenger and those who believe..." (5:55) and finally, "The believers, men and women, are awliya one of another..." (9:71)
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Isnt the first path of the hadith enough to support what He is meant... Holy Prophet Mohammad P.B.U.H. said I and Ali are inseperable... now read the later part of the hadith and tell me doesn't it fit the context.... and the ayat you quoted you probably missed the later part let me quote the whole ayat for you....

Only Allah is your Vali and His Messenger and those who believe, those who keep up prayers and pay the poor-rate while they bow.5:55

Incase you missed it.. the ayat didn't stop at Allah and Prophet .. it also talks about people who keep their prayer and pay poor-rate while they bow...now tell me who was the person who gave zakat while in the rukooh...the time the ayat was revealed.

Paglu, I hear your point and agree with you...but how about commenting come forward and post some knowledgeable sermons and lessons, it might help people like Armugahl..who doubts the fact on Hazrat Ali A.S. knowledge is far from truth;...

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Paglu....Why is it that we need to read Nahjul Balagha? Is it going to teach me something that Quran cannot? If the answer is no, than, I dont need to read it to gain knowledge about Islam or to learn about the greatness of Ali :ra:
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Kaleem why do you go to Dr, when you are sick..why do you send your kids to school....why not just teach them quran..quran doesn't stop you from seeking knowledge, Prophet asked to acquire knowledge even if you have to go to china for it....
Reading the book is not all about learning the greatness of Hazrat Ali, it has a lot of knowledge..lessons, way of life to offer, i heard it shows a good system of governmetn.. but how sad..others besides us benefit from such knowledge.

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i dont know why people wants to make prophet muhmmed(SAWW) made of lite, I meet one man he went beyond you people he said Prophet Muhmmad (SAWW) was not human he was ALLAH him self came on earth in man shape(unawzobella)
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Asayb.. the light means Noor..... its not the light you have at your house... and the later part watever you said about Prophet being Allah care to give references..sounds like all the other rumors you have posted int he forum without any proper references.

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And God said, that only dimanted people will equate humans to the level of Hazrat Muhammad and Allah. He further said that people who commit shirk in such a manner are the biggest munafiqs. Ponder on that for a minute, Mr. Zero brain.
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A good example of how rumors spread... Mr. Asayb said something shias don't believe..nor did he backed up his statement withouth refernces...and Kaleem..withouth asking for any proper references... blamed us for commiting shirk..even though no shia here said or accepted the false accusation Asayb made... Asayb do you know you have to answer to Allah SWT... From what I have noticed you take religous discussions so lightly and are so good at spreading rumors.. do you realize how many people are out there spreading rumors and people like who just hear and believe it... and go on a rage of killing innocent shias that had nothing to do on it to start with...even though killing innocent was never a teaching or sunnah of Prophet Mohammad P.B.U.H. May Allah give you ajjar for your deeds ... Ameen.
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It goes again............................
Can we just think on something that is more important and will be questioned on the day of judgement.

To me it all is going on for last 1300 years and will continue until the end of times. Its like the similar discussion, when Changaze Khan was just few miles away from Baghdad and the people in Baghdad were discussing that if the crow is Hallal or Haram. We as muslim have more urgent issues to deal with.

and yet we are busy with these discussion. I am not saying that it is not good to discuss but from your heart can you think that what was discussed by the big scholers and they did not get to an agreement how can we do that with our little knowledge.

Imam Jafar Sadiq and Imam Abu Hanifa were working on Fiqha in the same time period and yet there was no Sunni Shia match like this, Are we not going towards more rigid thoughts...........
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I don't think Sunnis hate Ali, they just seem to have a grudge against him. It's not suprising. We can see it by thier animalistic actions in Iraq against innocent people.
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Texn_Dude and Zerobrain, give it a rest. Dude, I dont need to see a proof of your "jahliyat", I saw the original title of the thread. I dont need to see your refrences, I can see the blind advocation for your lost cause from your posts. For the hundreth time to you and all Shia's. Hazrat Ali(r.a) was a simple human being, just like you and I, he was only special becuase of his deeds. He was a companion of Hazrat Muhammad, nothing more. He needs to be remebered in a way that honors his bravery, wisdom and steadfastness to the cause of Allah. Not by equating him to a status of unfathombale being (which he clearly was not), do not try to tell the world that he was the only correct way to Islam after Prophet Muhammad, because the only correct way of Islam after our beloved prophet has been and always will be Quarn. Therefore, I urge you and every other shia to stop telling us that you are special because you can trace your lineage to Hazrat Ali(which I seriously doubt), becasue Allah has said in the Quran that only your "Amal" make you special...it does not matter if you are related to Hazrat Mahammd or not.
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I don't think Sunnis hate Ali, they just seem to have a grudge against him. It's not suprising. We can see it by thier animalistic actions in Iraq against innocent people.

Yeah you should know, you like to jump fences and change nicks at the drop of the hat, so How are you going to creat more fitna among the Muslims next time?
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LOL, I have never changed any nicks, and you Sunnis expect us to take you seriously? and you pulled the fitna card. LMAO.
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Old Apr 26th, 2005, 11:04 PM   #23
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Texn_Dude and Zerobrain, give it a rest. Dude, I dont need to see a proof of your "jahliyat", I saw the original title of the thread. I dont need to see your refrences, I can see the blind advocation for your lost cause from your posts. For the hundreth time to you and all Shia's.
LOL, you just reminded me of a Hadith:
Some of the companions used to say:"We recognized the hypocrites by their hatred of Ali."

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Hazrat Ali(r.a) was a simple human being, just like you and I, he was only special becuase of his deeds.
Sorry son! Abubaker and Aisha seem not agree with you.
A'ishah said: "I saw my father (Abu Bakr) gazing often at Ali's face. I said: O my father! I see you gazing often at Ali's face. He said: O my daughter! I heard the Prophet say: "Looking at the face of Ali is worship."

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He was a companion of Hazrat Muhammad, nothing more. He needs to be remebered in a way that honors his bravery, wisdom and steadfastness to the cause of Allah. Not by equating him to a status of unfathombale being (which he clearly was not),
Again son! Umal Momaneen Aisha would highly disagree with you:
Ibn Hajar narrates from A'ishah that the Prophet said: "The best of my brothers is Ali, the best of my paternal uncles is Hamzah, and remembrance of Ali and speaking about him is worship."
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do not try to tell the world that he was the only correct way to Islam after Prophet Muhammad, because the only correct way of Islam after our beloved prophet has been and always will be Quarn.
Thats Obvious and LAME as well! Why is it so that every time when shia bring sunnah (hadith) to prove them selves, you people start whining with the claim that Quran alone is there for your guidence? (reminds me about this one companion who said Quran is enogh for us on the Prophets death bed, but thats another topic)


BTW, Do you even know whats written in Quran. Let me quote an ayah which brother Texan_Dude posted above:
Only Allah is your Vali and His Messenger and those who believe, those who keep up prayers and pay the poor-rate while they bow.5:55

The Messenger of Allah said: "Ali is with Quran, and Quran is with Ali. They shall not separate from each other till they both return to me by the Pool (of Paradise)."

Now son, Ponder!!

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Therefore, I urge you and every other shia to stop telling us that you are special because you can trace your lineage to Hazrat Ali(which I seriously doubt),
Another proof of your Jihalat! not every shia is Syed.

oh, and yes the shias are way too special, cause Rasool (saww) said so:

The Messenger of Allah said: "He who loves me and loves these two: al-Hasan and al-Husain, and loves their father and mother, he will be with me in Paradise."

Do you love any person mentioned in above hadith as we SHIA do?

The Messenger of Allah said to Ali: "Glad tiding O Ali! Verily you and your companions and your Shia (followers) will be in Paradise."

The Messenger of Allah (PBUH&HF) said: "The Shia of Ali are the real victorious in the day of resurrection/rising"

In Quran Allah sys:
One day We shall call every group of people by their respective Imams. (Quran 17:71)

Atleas we have our A'ima (Imam's Plural if you dont know) to follow to, who are the progeny of Allah's (swt) best Prophet Mohammed (saww). And first Imam of them is Ali (a.s).

TELL ME SON, WHO IS YOUR IMAM? WHO WILL REPRESENT YOU ON THE DAY OF QIYAMAH?

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becasue Allah has said in the Quran that only your "Amal" make you special...it does not matter if you are related to Hazrat Mahammd or not.
Oh please enlighten us which ayah of quran says so. But if you cant bring any ayah let me tell you one:

"(O Prophet) tell (people) I don't ask you any wage (in return for my prophethood) except to love my near kin. And if anyone earns any good We shall give Him an increase of good (in return for it)" (Quran 42:23).

Ibn Abbas narrated: When the above verse (42:23) was revealed, the companions asked: "O' the Messenger of Allah! Who are those near kin whose love Allah has made obligatory for us?" Upon that the Prophet (PBUH&HF) said: "Ali, Fatimah, and their two sons." He (PBUH&HF) repeated this sentence thrice. Then the Prophet (PBUH&HF) continued: "Verily Allah has dedicated my wage (of prophethood) to love of my Ahlul-Bayt, and I shall question you about it on the day of judgment."

many a sunni scholers (and I mean sunni not nasibi) have sited above tredition in thier authentic work.


At the end, you can call me names or what ever, believe me I dont care. But son!, I still wish and pray that Allah (swt) put some love of Ali (a.s) and his offspring in your heart.
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The Messenger of Allah said:

"Every prophet was given by God seven righteous companions. I was given fourteen righteous companions". He included in them Ali, al-Hasan, al-Husain, Hamza, Ja'far, Ammar Ibn Yasir, Abu Dhar, Miqdad, and Salman.

Sunni references:
- Fada'il al-Sahaba, by Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, v2, Traditions #109, #277
- Sahih al-Tirmidhi, v5, p329, p662
- Musnad Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, v1, pp88,148,149 from several chain of narrators
- al-Kabir, by al-Tabarani, v6, p264, p265
- Hilyatul Awliya', by Abu Nu'aym, v1, p128

But guess what?, the above two ahadith are also daeef, false or fabricated, are'nt they


actually, there's no need to bother looking into its authenticity just yet since this citation typifies shi-ite deception, bias and dishonesty... that’s because the "fourteen righteous companions" listed in the report includes Abu Bakr and Umar! i wonder why our shi-ite copy-and-paste merchants forgot to mention that!?
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The only deceptive people are the sunnis who like to kill people in the mosques. Shias are known by their high character. A sunni could've never founded Pakistan. it's in the sunni religion to kill innocent people.
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^ LMAO... the evidence against you is in the post just above ;-)
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LOL, Sorry Shias don't kill people in mosques. That's an entirely Sunni characteristic.
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anhey zero insaan, lannat hai tery mung per key tu apni jihalat ka muzhahira kar raha hai....I have said repeatedly show me your lame ass proof from Quran. Tub tum saab ki bolti band ho jati hai.....You have no proof of your lost cause and your ill founded belief in supremacy of Hazrat Ali...he was just a human like you and I...nothing more and nothing less. Him being cousin of Prophet Muhammad does not give him any more rank in Allah's eyes than Abu Bakr or Umar or Usman. If you cannot understand the simplest of logic (islamic logic) than I cannot help you...No wonder your nick is zero. You really are one big fat zero.
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masterofall, you asked for it dude. I will be happy to reveal your other nicks and posts ...just say so. BTW, you better watch out we sunnis are coming to whoop your shia ass.
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Go for it cowardly sunni. plus i find it hilarious when jews kill you lowly sunni asses. my jewish friend had a fun time killing your ugly kind in iraq.

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420 I am not sunni, I am wahabi, and do ask your elders how you should address me? You know the wahabis whooping your lowly shia ass in Saudi ....
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sunni, wahabi, all the same hateful people who kill innocent people.
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^ LMAO... this is the kind of reply one can expect from someone whose ran out of copy-and-paste sources to blindly lift his arguments from...
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420, Awww...your feelings got hurt... and you profess your love for Hazrat Umar and other companions in your Marsiaha quite eloquently...
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LMAO Sunni monkeys posting with nothing in thier post. you monkeys are getting boring.
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anhey zero insaan, lannat hai tery mung per key tu apni jihalat ka muzhahira kar raha hai....I have said repeatedly show me your lame ass proof from Quran. Tub tum saab ki bolti band ho jati hai.....You have no proof of your lost cause and your ill founded belief in supremacy of Hazrat Ali...he was just a human like you and I...nothing more and nothing less. Him being cousin of Prophet Muhammad does not give him any more rank in Allah's eyes than Abu Bakr or Umar or Usman. If you cannot understand the simplest of logic (islamic logic) than I cannot help you...No wonder your nick is zero. You really are one big fat zero.

Now you are showing your true nasibi face son.

let me repeat what I posted above.

You can call me names or what ever, believe me I dont care. But son!, I still wish and pray that Allah (swt) put some love of Ali (a.s) and his offspring in your heart. Cause that the condition to enter in jannah (as I proved from Quran and Hadith in my above post)
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^ actually, i think the only thing you've proven so far is your dishonesty when quoting hadith... or partially quoting them should i say, leaving out what refutes your argument! ;-) either that or you are copy-and-pasting blindly not knowing what the hadiths actually say... a little honesty won't do you any arm
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^ actually, i think the only thing you've proven so far is your dishonesty when quoting hadith... or partially quoting them should i say, leaving out what refutes your argument! ;-) either that or you are copy-and-pasting blindly not knowing what the hadiths actually say... a little honesty won't do you any arm

"COME, LET US CALL OUR SONS AND YOUR SONS AND OUR WOMEN AND YOUR WOMEN AND OURSELVES AND YOURELVES , THEN LET US HUMBLY PRAY ( TO OUR LORD ) AND INVOKE THE CURSE OF ALLAH UPON THE LIARS". (Quran 3:61)

Come lets pray and say ameen to that ayah and dua!


Code_Red, still waiting for your reply and some authentic ahadith from your side with reference.

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Now you are showing your true nasibi face son.

let me repeat what I posted above.

You can call me names or what ever, believe me I dont care. But son!, I still wish and pray that Allah (swt) put some love of Ali (a.s) and his offspring in your heart. Cause that the condition to enter in jannah (as I proved from Quran and Hadith in my above post)

I am not your son, you munafiq
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